Too Much Spam

[Milosch]

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[Frank-D]

Hi all,

I would prefer a technical solution, too. I offered to help, not to do it alone. As I can only login into nabble a couple of times a day, I would only be able to moderate expost considering the forum (deleting spam after it has been posted an appeared in the form), in order not to slow down the mailinglist-forum communication, but I don’t even know if this would be technical possible.

Great to hear, that you are already working on a solution.

Frank

I suspect that Frank already has a full time job.  We are working on
it, and do not need additional spam.

Wolf Fle wrote:

the admins here seem to prefer three more inches rather than frank to remove
the nonsense.
wolf

Frank-D wrote:

Hi all,

I would volunteer helping deleting spam in nabble.

If phpBB with m2f really is much better, we could think about this. But we
should consider:
A new forum would imply, that you had to move to the new one on a defined
date and after switching you would have to search in 2 forums looking for
an answer, in order to see older as well as newer posts. In addition to
his users might have to create new accounts.
No forum-mailinglist software is perfect, which problems exactly are
solved with phpBB.
On the other hand, I think phpBB, as a php OpenSource programm might offer
some strategic advantages. If we use it ourself it might get integrated
into egroupware more and more (first user accounts, at the end maybe even
as an egw-app).

Anyway, moving our mailinglists, our most important communication channel
should not be done light-minded.

Frank

Wolf Fle wrote:

  hi,

just wanted to write something else but similar:

if you can not inhibit the mail spam, please at least order a moderator
to remove it from the forum.
nabbles moderation by users does not help enough
wolf

John Thomas-5 wrote:

    In my opinion, the spam reflects poorly on eGroupWare.  Perhaps new 

users think the following, “If the group cannot figure out how to stop
spam, how can the do anything else right.”

I think non-subscribed senders to the list is allowed to allow the
forums to work, but there must be a better way. I suggest disallowing
non-subscribed members and shutting down the forum. There is likely a
way to have a forum and a list, but until someone shows how to do it,
shut down the forum and improve the image of eGroupWare.

–
Sincerely,
John Thomas

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[wolf.fle]

to me it seems since nearly two years,
that egw-admins and their friends - by name ralfb milosh pimsnel nigel and others
are very jealous to allow a community of USERS for self-support to grow here.

they are even afraid to allow a good-willing moderator to remove spam from the forum.
my hint to the admins: change your mind and open egw to a community of USERS.

what do you think to elect three representatives of USERS to be added to three admins elected by developers?

okay - mixed two things - but they are similar . . .
wolf

ps: also prefer technical solution, but dont forbid first aid by users.

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Hi all,

I would prefer a technical solution, too. I offered to help, not to do it alone. As I can only login into nabble a couple of times a day, I would only be able to moderate expost considering the forum (deleting spam after it has been posted an appeared in the form), in order not to slow down the mailinglist-forum communication, but I don’t even know if this would be technical possible.

Great to hear, that you are already working on a solution.

Frank

I suspect that Frank already has a full time job.  We are working on
it, and do not need additional spam.

Wolf Fle wrote:

the admins here seem to prefer three more inches rather than frank to remove
the nonsense.
wolf

Frank-D wrote:

Hi all,

I would volunteer helping deleting spam in nabble.

If phpBB with m2f really is much better, we could think about this. But we
should consider:
A new forum would imply, that you had to move to the new one on a defined
date and after switching you would have to search in 2 forums looking for
an answer, in order to see older as well as newer posts. In addition to
his users might have to create new accounts.
No forum-mailinglist software is perfect, which problems exactly are
solved with phpBB.
On the other hand, I think phpBB, as a php OpenSource programm might offer
some strategic advantages. If we use it ourself it might get integrated
into egroupware more and more (first user accounts, at the end maybe even
as an egw-app).

Anyway, moving our mailinglists, our most important communication channel
should not be done light-minded.

Frank

Wolf Fle wrote:
hi,
just wanted to write something else but similar:

if you can not inhibit the mail spam, please at least order a moderator
to remove it from the forum.
nabbles moderation by users does not help enough
wolf

John Thomas-5 wrote:

In my opinion, the spam reflects poorly on eGroupWare. Perhaps new
users think the following, “If the group cannot figure out how to stop
spam, how can the do anything else right.”

I think non-subscribed senders to the list is allowed to allow the
forums to work, but there must be a better way. I suggest disallowing
non-subscribed members and shutting down the forum. There is likely a
way to have a forum and a list, but until someone shows how to do it,
shut down the forum and improve the image of eGroupWare.

–
Sincerely,
John Thomas

[Frank-D]

Hi Wolf, Hi all

It’s easy to accuse somebody. My experience is, that I got lot of support from the people you named and they encouraged me contributing more the community. On the other hand, I made the experience, too, that it sometimes is quite complicated to find a way how to contribute. To understand the tracker, forum, wiki, knowbase (all of them both as sitemgr-sites and as normal egw apps) demo, svn this takes quite some time.
Considerung the permissions, community members have a lot of possibilties to contribute, e.g. anybody can edit most of the wiki-sites.
I just think, the complexity could be reduced somehow (e.g. merge knowbase content into wiki) and we won’t be able the change the fact, that some important people just don’t have the time to care about everything.
This is what I do:
read nabble and answers some posts (very easy to doi, needs subscription to mailinglist)
adding bugs and feature request to tracker, inclusive verifying them etc. (medium user-level, needs egroupware-community account)
editing the documentation inside the wiki (I only discovered this some time ago, needs egroupware-community account)

best regards Frank

to me it seems since nearly two years,
that egw-admins and their friends - by name ralfb milosh pimsnel nigel and others
are very jealous to allow a community of USERS for self-support to grow here.

they are even afraid to allow a good-willing moderator to remove spam from the forum.
my hint to the admins: change your mind and open egw to a community of USERS.

what do you think to elect three representatives of USERS to be added to three admins elected by developers?

okay - mixed two things - but they are similar . . .
wolf

ps: also prefer technical solution, but dont forbid first aid by users.

---

Hi all,

I would prefer a technical solution, too. I offered to help, not to do it alone. As I can only login into nabble a couple of times a day, I would only be able to moderate expost considering the forum (deleting spam after it has been posted an appeared in the form), in order not to slow down the mailinglist-forum communication, but I don’t even know if this would be technical possible.

Great to hear, that you are already working on a solution.

Frank

I suspect that Frank already has a full time job.  We are working on
it, and do not need additional spam.

Wolf Fle wrote:

the admins here seem to prefer three more inches rather than frank to remove
the nonsense.
wolf

Frank-D wrote:

Hi all,

I would volunteer helping deleting spam in nabble.

If phpBB with m2f really is much better, we could think about this. But we
should consider:
A new forum would imply, that you had to move to the new one on a defined
date and after switching you would have to search in 2 forums looking for
an answer, in order to see older as well as newer posts. In addition to
his users might have to create new accounts.
No forum-mailinglist software is perfect, which problems exactly are
solved with phpBB.
On the other hand, I think phpBB, as a php OpenSource programm might offer
some strategic advantages. If we use it ourself it might get integrated
into egroupware more and more (first user accounts, at the end maybe even
as an egw-app).

Anyway, moving our mailinglists, our most important communication channel
should not be done light-minded.

Frank

Wolf Fle wrote:
hi,
just wanted to write something else but similar:

if you can not inhibit the mail spam, please at least order a moderator
to remove it from the forum.
nabbles moderation by users does not help enough
wolf

John Thomas-5 wrote:

In my opinion, the spam reflects poorly on eGroupWare. Perhaps new
users think the following, “If the group cannot figure out how to stop
spam, how can the do anything else right.”

I think non-subscribed senders to the list is allowed to allow the
forums to work, but there must be a better way. I suggest disallowing
non-subscribed members and shutting down the forum. There is likely a
way to have a forum and a list, but until someone shows how to do it,
shut down the forum and improve the image of eGroupWare.

–
Sincerely,
John Thomas

[John_Thomas-5]

John Thomas wrote:

In my opinion, the spam reflects poorly on eGroupWare.

The spam seems to have stopped! This is great. Thank you. Egroupware
is a great community.

–
Sincerely,
John Thomas

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